About the conversation at UNU on 20 Feb. 2024 I was very impressed of Mr. Thiaw who is the Exective Secretary of the United Nations Convention to Combat Desertification that his policy is based not only on artificial technics but on Nature and Sun for human-beings. It is just the thought I would like to say every moment. The detail will be written by KUMADA-sensei together sat and listened at the conversation. Thank you